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*CONFIRMED* Microsoft says a big I LOVE YOU to "used games"

ThermoNukePanda

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I've been saying for the last two years Sony set a pitfall trap fo MS. Sony was the first talking about no used games and always connected interfaces, then after MS decided to roll with it and the white papers detailing their concept came out Sony changed their stance and laughed while they watched MS steamroll right off the ledge... Brilliantly played Sony, brilliantly played. Good thing you're not in Westeros, theyd be sitting the iron throne.

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Has anything official been released about the whole used games fiasco? Seems there are a lot of things being said but I can't nail down a reputable source.

 

The online thing I personally don't have a problem with, and I'm not biased there since I'm most likely going to be without internet for a time here soon. It seems a lot of things are moving in that direction. But the DRM...I dunno.

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Update [8:00pm]: In an attempt to further clarify the confusion, Major Nelson wrote on his blog: "While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail. Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios." Fees, however, appear to be part of the plan, with Major Nelson noting that players will not have to pay a fee to play a game at their friend's house, so long as they are connected to the Xbox profile associated with that game. Presumably, that means games are locked to accounts initially. Joystiq will have detailed interviews with Microsoft executives to clarify this matter, once and for all.

 

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-may-require-game-installs-close-out-used-game-market

 

 

They refuse to say anything more, even though retailers have been briefed on what to expect.

 

Allegedly, shops that wish to buy and sell a title will need to be hooked up to a Microsoft database so that access to the game can be removed from the previous owner's account and transferred to a new one. A retailer can sell the game for whatever it likes, but the system will ensure that a cut goes to publisher as well as Microsoft.

 

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-used-game-rumor/

 

So rather than ease everyone's mind, they're keeping everything to themselves. They also refuse to discuss Kinect's privacy policy which many have asked for.

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Ok if there gona wipe the game off my system and god knows this sounds strange as hell. Ive traded in games before not beating them, knowing i wana beat it some time down the road. Does this wipe out my save file for this game also. I traded in AC III after a few weeks and picked it up when it hit cheap just to finish.

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I've been saying for the last two years Sony set a pitfall trap fo MS. Sony was the first talking about no used games and always connected interfaces, then after MS decided to roll with it and the white papers detailing their concept came out Sony changed their stance and laughed while they watched MS steamroll right off the ledge... Brilliantly played Sony, brilliantly played. Good thing you're not in Westeros, theyd be sitting the iron throne.

 

We shall see.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/409184/ps4-to-regulate-used-games-like-xbox-one-report/

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I just have a feeling we are not going to learn anymore about this for awhile. I bet they try to just talk games at E3 and try to make us forget about it and avoid these topics. If all this stuff is true I just hope people vote with their wallets. Its the only way M$ is gonna understand that this shit ain't cool. The problem is people will rage, know its not right but still buy the stupid thing.

 

I also have a feeling Sony will follow suit on most of it but if they are smart they will not require the PS Eye to constantly be on and connected for PS4 to function like Xbone. That and keep the PS Network free.

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Super Confirmed for real this time, straight from the xbox website

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected

http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-games-require-online-verification-every-24-hours-255542.phtml

Destructiod has a good summary of all the bullshit, Including:

- You NEED to reconnect after 24 hours to play games, everything else works without this online check(TV, Blu Ray/DVD)
- Up to 10 family members can "can log in and play from your shared games library."

- Used games stuff is up to the publishers, 2 requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once

- Can only sell to participating retailers




Go eat a dick Microsoft.

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I honestly don't see what the huge uproar is about here. <shrugs> Guess most people on the Internet truly do overreact no matter where you are.

Having to check in online every 24 hours (every 1 hour if playing at friends house) and whether you can sell your games is up to the publishers and even then at pariticpating retailers only all for the benifit of....if you buy the disk version of a game not having to have the disk in to play(pretty much no benifit). It's all just bad anti consumerist crap that I don't like to see the games industry head into.

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I honestly don't see what the huge uproar is about here. <shrugs> Guess most people on the Internet truly do overreact no matter where you are.

 

I just really don't like any of the policies they're setting forth.  Sure, some of the uproar is overreacting but I feel you're doing a disservice to the discussion overall by generalizing every valid disagreement as "overreacting".  (For the record, I totally respect your opinion that you think it's alright for MS to enact these policies)

 

 

Some things I don't like about this:

 

-If I go to a friend's house who does NOT have an Internet connection for some reason and log into their console, I can only play my games for ONE HOUR.  That's it. 

 

-"Loaning and Renting games won't be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners".  This is bullshit.  I have quite a few friends I exchange games with since I do purchase quite a lot of games and allow them to borrow them.  Sure it's possible they're working something in but again there is going to be activation fees (up to the publisher) for them to play it at all. 

 

-Even though I don't trade games in, people can only trade them in at specified participating retailers?  This is also bullshit and destroys any sort of mom & pop/indie game stores abilities to deal with that sort of thing (and usually do it MUCH better than Gamestop IMO.  I love a local store called "SoundGoRound" who are awesome).  I know for a fact there will be fees to participate in this because you'll need the tools and ability to access MS's servers.

 

-On the same topic of reselling, they're leaving it up to the publishers?  So I can sell one game possibly but not another?  This is going to cause wild and mass confusion, and is also bullshit.  I don't like being told what I can and can't sell after I've bought it myself.

 

-Depending on if the publisher says it's alright to do so (which is going to be like never because they see the possibility of making money), I can let a friend borrow my disc.  Oh wait, I'm sorry, I haven't had you on my friend list for a whole month.  AND YOU CAN ONLY DO THIS ONCE!  Have two friends who want to try it?  Tough luck.

 

 

 

This all just seems so, wow man, I don't even have the words for it.

 

I guess the positive thing is you can order a Pizza Hut pizza directly through your Xbox.

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There is a great poem also by Martin Niemöller which is kind of relevant to the increasing amount of anti-consumer tactics that we are being subjected to.  If we don't speak up now and fight against this, eventually we'll be left with no say in the matter at all.

 

 

First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

 

Then they came for the socialists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

 

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

 

Then they came for me,

and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

 

I also try not to link to Kotaku very often due to their mostly sensationalist stories and crap, but Luke has a very good article on the matter.  How much will we take?  How intrusive and anti-consumer will we allow them to become before we're too far down the slippery slope?

 

http://kotaku.com/video-game-companies-arent-letting-us-do-anything-511789152

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