ThermoNukePanda Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 More and more info has been leaking out about the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, and all signs are pointing to the rumors being true regarding always online connectivity, mandatory Kinect usage, and the fight against used video games. Previously it's been reported that MS and Sony were looking into ways to disrupt the used game market. There was a lot of uproar over this. Check this out from the Durango Hardware Overview: "Every Durango console will have a hard drive, although its exact capacity has not been chosen. It will be large enough, however, to hold a large number of games. All games will be installed on the hard drive. Play from the optical disc will not be supported." That is incredibly bad news. On top of this, the rumors of forcing players to always have their Kinect hooked up seem to also be true. "Every Durango console will be sold with a new high-fidelity Kinect Senor, which will be required for the system to operate." And for good measure they're touting an "Always On, Always Connected" design. "Durango will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use. The console will be ready instantly when users want to play, and will always maintain a network connection so that console software and games are always current." Fuuuuuuuu. I'm sticking with PC if all of this is true. At least for the time being anyways. There is no way in hell I'm going to be an early adopter. SOURCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green grenades Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 ill just be buying a new pc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish66 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I'll stick with my ps3....screw the new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dateranoth Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Most of that sucks, but I don't understand the problem with games not playing from disc. It doesn't prove that they are not allowing used games. Only down side is you'll have to wait on an install before you can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish66 Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Has anyone seen the new $99 XBOX 360 as long as you take a 2 yr $15 a month xbl plunge offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThermoNukePanda Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Most of that sucks, but I don't understand the problem with games not playing from disc. It doesn't prove that they are not allowing used games. Only down side is you'll have to wait on an install before you can play. In the source document it details something more about being able to being playing and streaming the game somehow while it is still installing to avoid that problem of waiting. My biggest fear is the mandatory installation, which can easily lead to one time activation codes. Kind of like the evolving of the "Online Pass" codes that have come out recently in order to play online with others. Also the whole mandatory Kinect thing is silly. I worry about that because of the patent MS created last year for person recognition and determining license use. The idea being it can tell if you have 4 people in the room trying to watch Netflix and in turn blocking your use of the program because you've only paid for a license for 2 viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dateranoth Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Yeah. I figured they'd design the installation process into something seamless. I don't think installation will effect their decision or ability to stop used games. At best,if you do have to be always connected, they will simply tie a one time key that comes with a new game to your account. At worst, they will tie the key to your console. I'm hoping that they keep allowing used games. I don't really give a crap about the used game business. It's a rip off for the most part anyway. There is more to it than that though. What about businesses like gamefly? Plus we should be able to loan give our games anyway. Oh well, Steam is no better and PC games lost that battle years ago. At least you can justify PC games by the stupid cheap deals that come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaNfOoT Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I don't think they are that stupid, i'm sure kinect will be bundled in with every console at the least but I have doubts about the always online stuff. Though either way, it would pretty much be able to give blow jobs to make me switch from PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kira Onime Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 lol I aint buying shit if it had to be online all the time. WHat if my net company is doing some maintenant and has to shut down the area for a day or two...... no xbox? lol fck that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrslieb Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Shocker, another console fuck up. ill just be buying a new pcThat sums it up right there. I don't have the know how to get around a console doing this, but I can get around a pc doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsBadExample Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 People buy xboxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrslieb Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Wat is Xbawks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spawn622 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The one thing you all seem to be harping on is the "always on internet" requirement. I'm here to tell you, as a business, MS will NOT do that. They will not limit their market to less than 65% of the country and it's an even smaller percentage across the world. There's no way in hell they would do that. The other points are really moot honestly. Playing from the HDD is not an issue and whenever I am playing something for an extended period of time, I install it now anyway. If the Kinect is included, who gives a crap? <drops all the mics> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrslieb Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Installing it isn't an issue, the problem is they're going to get rid of used games entirely. Once you install it on your HDD that disc becomes useless. Not only to you, but to everyone. I don't know how it is in the rest of the world, but stores like Gamestop ONLY exist because of used game sales. Who do they think is going to distribute their games? Are they going to open up stores for it? I doubt it. I really have an issue with a company destroying their partner companies for no gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGWyant Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll wait for the announcement to judge, but the only thing that really scares me is the always on kinnect. If it doesnt recognize you, there goes your access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spawn622 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 First, used games hurt developers plain and simple. The second sale of a game makes them zero dollars. This stifles their ability to put more money back in to new ideas. Second, Gamestop's used game sales last year were only 25% of their business. Yes that is a pretty high percentage, but not catastrophic. However, as you pointed out, MS will not hurt their relationship with one of their top resellers. That is not good business and MS is a business. We often only look at things from a gamer perspective with these rumors and don't take time to think about the business side of things.So, while I detest used games, I highly doubt MS will kill them. The same rumor came out before the PS4 reveal as well and has been debunked by Sony. Also, on a side note, GameStop posted a loss of almost $270 million last year so people seem to be getting fed up with their shitty business practices.LG, there will still be a controller. You won't lose the manual abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrslieb Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I used Gamestop as an example of the retail side of it. Personally I despise the company, but it was just used as an example. I disagree with losing 25% of your income not being catastrophic. If you have a dollar and someone takes away .25 cents and throws it in the toilet, that's still .25 cent you're missing because someone was an asshole. They're not even borrowing your .25 cent, they just wanted you to not have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kira Onime Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I wouldn't buy used games if a new game wasn't 60$ +tax, which, where I live, is 15%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish66 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 You can send me that quarter....ill take em all gladly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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